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Post by Doul on Aug 27, 2003 8:09:07 GMT -5
Do you guys think that Hedrigall is the real one, or that he is simply a possibility leaked out from the Scar?
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Post by Pale on Aug 27, 2003 11:02:13 GMT -5
I think the ambiguity was part of the attraction. I :)voted "possible".
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Post by Doul on Aug 27, 2003 11:04:36 GMT -5
yeah, the fact that he never actually ascertained it was cool, it kept me thinking for a while. Him being a possibilty appeals to my sense of teh fantastic, whilst him beind the real one appeals to my sense of conspiracy.
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Post by LooseCannon on Aug 27, 2003 11:25:47 GMT -5
I always liked to think he was a possibility as it would make the Lover actually right even though she looked like a lunatic. However, if we had been told it would have ruined the entire book. It was a very clever device to use.
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Mort
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Post by Mort on Aug 28, 2003 18:39:42 GMT -5
A possibilty - though as has been said the mbiguity of the matter really draws you in. I found that part of the writing to be very claustrophobic, as it really built a sense of conspiracy, paranoia, and downright fear.... bit like a marooned story.
Hedrigall is possibly my favourite character from the book for some reason.
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Post by Lemuel on Sept 5, 2003 11:18:15 GMT -5
pretty certain he was a possibility, but like the rest, i like the fact that we will never know;D
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Post by Nakijo on Oct 5, 2003 19:27:48 GMT -5
I thought he was real until the Coda when Bellis talks about him. I agreed with Lover that the likelihood was simply too low, regardless of freak possibility bleeding.
However, after reading the description of the differences in Hedrigall in the Coda, I decided that he was a possibility. I reckon Doul mined his possibility out
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Post by Doul on Oct 7, 2003 15:16:50 GMT -5
Hey, thats an interesting idea. Remember when Bellis heard Doul playing on his Possiilty Harp Thingy (I think it was a harp, i can't remember that well), maybe he was mining out the Heddrigal Possibility...
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Post by Nakijo on Oct 8, 2003 19:21:39 GMT -5
It was a perhapsadian (perhaps this will happen, perhaps it won't?)
And yeah, that's exactly what I thought
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Post by Deadmanonastick on Nov 17, 2004 17:46:15 GMT -5
I always believed that it was the real Hedrgial and he and Uther concocted the whole thing to make them turn back. I mean he is an ACTOR for crying out loud, and he comes back with this fantastic story that makes them turn around. And remember the Brucolac's accusation that Uther doesn't like the Lover's plan any more than he does. It was a way for Uther to save everyone without betraying the Lovers, at least not openly anyway.
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Post by flakmunky on Jan 1, 2005 14:46:48 GMT -5
I had to select "OTHER"
The first time reading The Scar, I believe Hedrigall's story of the final moments of the Armada -- making him the possible-Hedrigall
With the second reading (a year later, and knowing how the story would end), I saw Hedrigall's performance as an elaborate "sham" -- making him the real-Hedrigall
[Aside: I get my money's worth from China Mieville books! A different interpretation with each reading!]
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Post by DedHed on Feb 5, 2005 2:14:44 GMT -5
We don't know Hedrigall very well personally, since he's kept in the periphery for most of the story. But Tanner Sack, who to me is the truest, most honest of the main characters, serves as a good character witness for Hedrigall. And from all Tanner's accounts, the cactus man is an upright honorable dude. If he was in on some big secret scheme with Doul, he would have had to create an extraordinarily elaborate tale of deception to pull it off. And although we know he's a great storyteller, this does not make him a liar. My vote: Just as Tanner called it, he's a possible Hedrigall from a possibility in which Armada went down the Scar.
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Post by endsoftheworld on Feb 12, 2005 10:49:45 GMT -5
I'm tossing my vote into the "Possible" ring. Like it was proposed above, I too think Doul mined a Possible Hedrigall out of the Scar. In fact, I think it would be intersesting if there was any evidence that Doul had anything to do, directly or indirectly, with Hedrigall leaving. Or maybe he had some contacts on the side who killed him after he left, who knows. I like that explanation---yes, it's cleaner, but I like cleaner endings---and it satisfies both my love for the conspiracy AND the fantastic. ;D
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Post by Curufea on Feb 13, 2005 23:40:50 GMT -5
Clean - but mysterious. It adds a new level to "who is Uther?"
China leaves a lot upto the background setting. Things happen, and he doesn't explain why, but sometimes he inferes this is a reason why.
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